The track will run Ron's full setup... 60kg springs in the rear and his shocks with adjusters, 115kg springs in the front coil-overs, stock t-bars for now, but looking at going with huge t-bars on the track car (heard about 33mm bars) but only after I try this first. I have his steering extender, watts linkages, sway bar end-links, center bushing and huge front sway bar. All polly bushings, waiting on is rear sway bar as well as his DeDion bushing... 105/115 upper ball-joint and some other minor stuff.
33mm bars will be a waste of money with Ron's kit, it's based around the standard sized bars.... the ultimate max spring rate is dictated by the 4" coil spring on the damper, so going larger with t/bar will gain nothing, except weight.
I have what he calls a full suspension. What did I miss?
***Nothing....
Ride-height won't be set until the 156 3.7 drops in... Moved the battery to the back on both cars. I will dig up my corner weight numbers - posted them before... Pretty low in the back, trying to shift weight....
***okay...
Considering Team Competizione +50mm upper and lower control arms for a wider front-track, but don't know about the compatibility with the RS setup...? Anyone? (Also looking at their shifter kit...)
***Won't work, lower arms for full coilover only, no splines for t/bars. Why do you want to scr*w around with going wide track??? Please tell me why you would 'need' a wider front track..and what benefit YOU personally would gain?
***Stick with the RS kit and get that working well. You'll spend the next year trying to dial the car in anyhow, why over complicate things. You're chasing your tail JJ, but not knowing how to catch it!!
I went the other direction with the street 3.0 12 valve Verde. Yellow Konis all the way around, IAP's red springs rear, 28.3mm front bars, all polly bushings. Cut the shifter 2 inches...
***Would make a 'nice' street set up if you junked the dampers, and went with Bilstein sport model....
Look, I like Ron's setup, I was one of the first guys State-side to order from him... But, I want to look at other options. Yeah he has tested and tuned on the ring for 2 years. With al due respect, so what? Dawie has tested and tuned on 11 different tracks over 35 years (20 of it in TA Alfas!) From that rationale, I shouldn't even talk to anyone else... But this is not where I am at.
***Options....Well, Ron's is a very good and complete option, no question. Yes, Dawie has many years experience tuning and testing the cars, I for one, have known this for many years John... we were playing with Dawies race engines/parts more than SIX years ago, when you still thought 164S cams/pistons and shankle/ricambi headers were as good as it gets....
***I believe only 18 month ago I was sitting in Dawie's home, helping design the very 'KW' coilover with torsion bar kit you have ordered. This was after testing Rons kits in various models at the 'ring.
***Ron has in fact been racing/developing his GP.A GTV6 for ten years with his set up, and winning, enough development experience for you??
I realize that Ron may have something better after just 2 years in these cars, than what Dawie does after 20 years in them, and that is why I am actually buying a set of both... Now I have THREE different setups (and I don’t expect the Koni and IAP springs to be a match, but still…)
***It'll be fun trying....but what are you looking for ultimately
Then again, just ask Michael H; I consider him a far superior driver to myself; this season he ran his street GTV6 and I ran my street Milano Verde. BOTH CARS RUN 3.0 V6 and BOTH CARS RUN 3.55 LSD setups…. He was running an after market fuel setup mod., (to remain un-named) and CSC headers. He has S cams and pistons and I run stock. I was running Ricambi headers with no cats and stock fuel and spark with my Koni/IAP red springs and we would pretty much run together.
He’d take me and then I would just stay with him… Neither of us could explain it. He was running front RS coils/shocks and rear RS coils and shocks with bigger t-bars.
We’ll see. I loved Luis’ neutral feel to his RS setup on his Verde, so I am trying the full kit. Dawie is sending me his kit and one or the other will be up for sale.[/quote]
***Like I said - I'll take either John
***But.... as you have said before, you want to keep some 'streetability' in car by driving to the track and so on, but you seem to be worried/troubled by the pro's/con's of development time/spec or ability of kits available..... without having even driving them. Put simply Ron's kit will be 'better than you are' for some time, and unless you move to 10" slicks why try to re-invent the wheel.
***If you stick with Dawies kit, let us know what is included with the dampers, and more importantly, how you find the car.
***Please don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to be difficult, but just give you an opinion..... based on my own experiences. Go with either, as they'll be good enough for more than you will ever need if you aren't racing... as for 'Dawie this and Ron that' ??? a bit silly really.....
***Cheers - if rather confused
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