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[Melvivio]

Hello everybody here on this forum!

I kinda had to register here really, since I recently bought a car, which should be know here. Especially to the first members of this forum back in 98/99 when this car was being created as it is currently.

Of course its an Gtv, yes. But not your standard v6. Back in the day, the engine was swapped for a much newer, and younger 164L engine (not sure if its the correct engine code) the 3.0 24v one....

As it was quite a hassle back then, since not many people had done this swap before. The creator R.Busser from BTS, was a member, and thanks to him and this forum and its members this car was created!



Quick summary; New engine, Sport suspension (yellow konis) Tarox sport brakes, newer black interior.

Meself, I'm still a student in Holland. I've a background in cars, and am currently in the learning of engineering within the car industry. I'm not a qualified mechanic but master the necessary skills!

Here to learn more, as the Dutch Alfa Forum is good, but as these cars are quite rare here, it lacks quick help which is often needed.

Therefore, the first project (apart from scheduled maintenance) will be completing the AC which isn't working yet. They needed to swap it out for the new engine, and has never been refitted. Thus any know threads, pm them to me!

As for now good night and Hello!

But still much to do. The first big project

[Giuliettaevo2]

The Dutch forum lacks quick help?

I have to disagree on that... The www.alfaclub.nl forum is very good and there are quite a few knowledgeable people around there. I'm also very active there ( same username minus the '2' )

There is actually a GTV6 being converted to 24v in my town at the moment(not mine).

But offcourse there are also a lot of guys on this forum with hands-on experience!

Love your car, very neatly done by the looks of it.

Greetings Remco

[Melvivio]

Well okay, let me rephrase that then. Specific threads about the gtv, with answers to stupid questions a newbie like me has are hard to find, and therefore not as quick accessible as here I suppose. hehehe, But cheers!

[kevin]

At this stage your aircon will fit on right as your alt is on left . Most guys who do this conversion have alt on right and ac on left. Not sure why. Anyway I did this long ago with a small BMW ac unit (5vane seiko siki -cant remember name). Front pulley needs to be extended and you modify use origional AC bracket if you running a 116 GTV sump. Also used a 4pk belt but maybe be easier to use v belt. Biggest problem was the distance of pump from front castor arm housing. You also need to trim sides of timing covers. For extra strenght use tiny computer fans behind unit in car and close off sides. Helps push through air instaed pull through. Sorry got no pics.

[Melvivio]

Hey Kevin, thank you for the reply!

The original idea was indeed to remove/reposition the oil filter, and make more room for the pump. The reason why the AC is on the left is because the 164 has the AC there (that is whats known to me)

I keep in mind the bmw unit, although the company whom are going to do this well probably fit one of their own.

The front pully, cant I just buy another one, and weld it on there? Of course well centred and balanced. or is this to crude ^^?


The original AC bracket is missing, so a new one has to be made. Any idea if people made plates for this and might be for sale?

Also a newbie question, a 116 sump? (it has the original 2.5 sump yes)

If you might come across something more please let me know! it would reduce the cost greatly!

[Giuliettaevo2]

The 116 stands for the transaxle platform your car is build on. The Alfetta, GT, GTV and GTV6 all have a 116 platform. The Giulia is a 105 series and the 75 is a 162 if i remember correct.

If your car is using the 2.5 sump ( which is the easiest way to do) you can use a GTV6 bracket (with some alterations).

[kevin]

No need to invent the ac bracket as its already a good bracket. On the 24v the timing covers are much wider so just must get marginally creative.
My GTV that I have removed the Anti roll bar has rs suspension. Its way to hectic for our secondrary roads. Car just bounces along . remove it and its a pleasure on our bumpy roads.
Melv , check out a lot of articles on race section on suspension. There is a huge amount of good info that you can incorporate or just learn about the GTV's. Check out Greg gordon articles on GTV. That was the first thing I did when joined this forum. Im just replying about AR bar here as its on your thread as I did not want to deviate to much from Michaels thread.
I bet you are enjoying your car as they are absolutely brilliant cars to drive once you have refurbed them like they left that factory floor. (and maybe a few mods here and there) Problem is most of us buy them when they are a bit worn in suspension, steering dept so we dont really get to appreciate how good they are.

[Melvivio]

Hi Kevin!

My car is thankfully a blast to drive! Previous owner fitted yellow koni's, and ive check and there is no play in any of the suspension/steering joints. The car is lowered somewhat, but its really direct, and pretty sharp to drive, compared to much newer cars i've driven. Thanks to the lack of power steering I suppose.

The drive is still quite soft, so I'll keep the anti roll bar, but thanks for the info!

The brakes are also upgraded to sport brakes, and just renewed the brake fluid. So there quite sharp


One question, I'm about to renew the transmission oil. The lowest drain plug will release all the fluids, (including these from the diff?)
How much must I put in via the upper plug? Shell website said 3 liters.. However, is this correct or should I fill it up to a point? (upper plug?)

For a 164 3.0 24v engine, 5.5L 10W60 oil??

Thanks in advance!

[kevin]

Gearbox is 2.88 liters. If you have an ls use redline 75w140. If you not sure if its an LS search all links to establish. If not LS then any EP oil as you have a hypoid gear.(check wikipedia hypoid gear) For good reading on oils check this article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_oil
Engine needs 6liters excluding oil cooler. Not sure which oill filter but can be up to 6.5litres. Thats if you have old gtv 6 sump. I use SHELL 15w 40 which helps to get oil flow into hydraulic lifters and allows for bigger clrearances. You need to research this area as every person on this forum will have a different oil for there engine. This depends on your climate as well.(if our temp drops below zero degrees c , its touch and go if your gonna go to work)Check article on dipsticks as well viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3778
Im sure other members on forum can add there feedback on what oil suits your climate.

[kevin]

Hi Melvivio, can you post some pics of your engine bay showing your oil filler position and windscreen wiper motor. Also some pics of your exhaust manifolds. Who ever did your conversion did a really good job. There are some aspects different to what most have done including clearance issues under brake booster. post pic of sump while you at it . That will have bearing on your A/C set up.

[Melvivio]

Hey you all! Re edited this post with pictures of my latest finds! In general, Searching for rust, and looking what is what!

Kevin, here are the photos of the windscreen whipermotor. And the oil filter.

Here is the sump fitted to the engine :



Here are the custom exhaust manifolds :


and also the picture of the reweld of the oil fillercap, under the brake booster.

[kevin]

Melv, thats a clever way of getting around the brake booster clearance issue. The rear of the cam cover has been cut at an angle combined with cap been relocated.
Looks like a great conversion there.

[Melvivio]

Well I promised to post more. So here I go!

Since September I've worked a lot on the car. Slow progress has been made
I'll post more detailed in time, but for now a quick summary.

There was some rust on the car. In the left & right back wheel arches.





After a couple hundred miles my stock Alternator died. Had it upgraded to 120Amps @ 9000rpm, and a smaller pulley was placed (more revs)

Did maintenance,
New timing-belt, water-pump, water-hoses, etc..
Cost a lot, but now I can rev to the sky without worries!

Installed sound&heat damping Dynamat all in car. Works great! Reduces heat and sound greatly! Refitted the carpet protectors. Found out that the seats wouldn't slide back, so redid the hole! Works like a charm!


Build a custom water-bottle, to make room for the air conditioning!


Retro-fitted a new Air-conditioning system to the old set-up. This was a great deal of work. Couldn't do everything myself, so brought it to the specialist to have it made:

Works icy cold! With the extra isolation the car can get cool! Even in a traffic jam in the sun!

Found out that the car had NEVER been driven at full throttle! The gasvalve didn't fully open! Re-welded the arm, and have noticeably more power!


Did the 105 Castermod:


Bolted on a 24mm anti-roll bar, in uni-balls. With dust caps.
And re-valved the koni's! The car drives better then ever now!


One of the 30year old radiator-fans died, so bought 156jtd fans! And made these fit to the car!

Currently it has been sanded ^^ and sits nicely in the paint! Cools hard!

Last but not least! I fully detailed the car. Resprayed the bumper parts & mirror!
The car looks better then ever!

[Greg Gordon]

That car looks great. I love the wheels, and the A.C. installation looks like it took some effort. Good job.

Greg,
www.hiperformancestore.com

[kevin]

A black gtv is always special. This one looks perfect. How much of the body did you have to knock in when you did the 105 ball joints .
You have done a lot of work.