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Jim K · Post by **Jim K** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:16 am

Barry, if Z is thinking of buying a Beeemer, he can pair up with you!!!! We KNOW YOU got one, you're on candid camera and whats more, you use it on holidays just 'cause you DON'T want broken belts and such! Thats not being a traitor, its being SMART (with $$ too!)

Jim K.

Barry · Post by **Barry** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:53 am

Mmmmmm,Cannot hide nothing from you guys...yea,Ive still got the nice one..e34 535i..love it..500000km and the engine has NEVER been opened...
Does not use oil,and still gives me 9l/100km..

Now my bella,she has had ,and Im not joking,at least 10 different engines in her life so far...Everytime I do something,I use her as a test mule...

Jim K · Post by **Jim K** » Tue May 30, 2006 10:09 am

Say Barry, the 535... does it have the following P/N's for AFM and ECU: 0280203002 and 0280001114

Jim K.

Post by **Zamani** » Tue May 30, 2006 10:50 am

Baz,

Haha how did you know? Actually broken Alternator on Interstate-5 at 1am last weekend (my track weekend too). Thank you AAA.

Mef,

I dunno about Alfa "gods", probably too drunk after too much veno.

Alfa doesn't have the ability to pull out competitive engines anymore. Especially when it comes to big capacity engines.

BMW had Vanos in 1993 in their M50 engines, and then twin vanos in the E46 328i. What did Alfa have? Oh yeah 6 chrome runners. The 24V V6 was in production for 12 years, what development did Alfa R&D do to it besides having it in different capacities? Did we see VVT? What about variable intakes?

At least the new engines have JTS heads and pistons. I wouldn't say it's completely Alfa (for sure it's not, it's mostly GM), but it's not like a SEAT with a VAG engine. 100% no SEAT stuff in it.

But hey if it is good it is good. I'm not going to knock it down just because others say it's made by holden so it MUST be bad. Well at least it has to sound like an Alfa, not like a BMW. And I've heard from a Brera owner who used to own Busso V6 cars that his new 3.2 JTS is good.

Let's look at its technical merits before we condemn it. After all why wouldn't I want to have a 260 bhp which doesn't leak much oil

. But who knows maybe the boys at Holden can't do shite and the new V6 will still piss oil.

Hey guys, no BMWs for me. It's either Alfa or Hondas. Nothing beats VTEC (or iVTEC these days) hehe.

Greg Gordon · Post by **Greg Gordon** » Tue May 30, 2006 10:57 am

Am I the only one who is noticing how big the Brera is? It looks great, I really like the styling, but I never realized how big it was until seeing it next to a GTV6.

I actually have high hopes for the new motor. I have not seen it yet so I don't know anything for sure. We tend to discount the G.M. V6 motors because historically they have been used in some pretty dull vehicles. However they are good engines. Many G.M. V6s can handle 1000 horsepower. No production Alfa engine can do that. If we get Alfa heads on a stout G.M. block we just might have something.

Barry, a BMW 535i? Don't make me post a drag race video.

fedezyl · Post by **fedezyl** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:18 am

well, when I was in France I rented a 159, I don't know if I posted pics somewhere, seriously, it was so well built that I couldn't beleive it was an alfa, plus it handled, too bad it was a diesel but they didn't have any other engines, the thing is that I went to an alfa dealership, and definetely yes, the brera is big, but very very good looking, don't know, if I was to do things over again, had the money and the brera was imported here, I would definetely buy myself a Brera or 159 V6 JTS and leave the Giulie to be a semi track project...can't beat good building quality and comfort...

Mats · Post by **Mats** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:52 am

I got an E34 too...

Barry · Post by **Barry** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:05 pm

ZAMANI!!!! A HONDA??????????Hey,they actually make damn fine cars...

Greg,yea,535i....just enjoy it...Have thought of suping it up,but you know,I need at least one std ,reliable car in my life...Im realy toying with the idea of fitting an m60 5l v8 with all its goodies into it...
Then again,I have a 4.4l for an Alfa project Im starting soon....

Mezevenf · Post by **Mezevenf** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:06 pm

Well, from personal experience with the Holden V6, I'll just say this...

Its B-O-R-I-N-G!

As I said, I hope Alfa do something to make the engine more Alfa-ish. Hell, what Alfa doesnt eat oil? lol

I've stood next to the Brera in person, and its not *that* big. Hell, the GTV6 is a rather small car compared to basically all modern cars.

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:48 pm

Park your GTV6 next to a "new" mini and see how big new cars really are.
Why do you think new cars need so much hp to get decent performance? Try to find a sub 1200kg car these days and there's not that many. Try to find a sub 1000kg new car and I think you've bought the Lotus Elise.
The perfect mix is GTV6 with newer Alfa motor, say a 3.0 24v - oh, hang on, that's what I'm doing.

Mats · Post by **Mats** » Tue May 30, 2006 10:44 pm

Barry: 5 liter M60?? You mean the S62?

Greg: You should see the 159, HUGE!

Mef: Only the block remains untouched as far as I know, heads and everything else is Alfa.

Greg Gordon · Post by **Greg Gordon** » Wed May 31, 2006 5:49 am

I did park my GTV6 next to a new Mini the other day. The GTV6 is smaller in every dimention except length. The Mini is quite a bit shorter.

Greg Gordon
www.hiperformancestore.com

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Wed May 31, 2006 12:56 pm

New mini is shorter on overall length but has a longer wheelbase than the GTV6. Definitely not a real mini. Small cars just aren't that small anymore.

PietereQ · Post by **PietereQ** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:02 am

As far as alfa's big capacity engines are concerned, have you heard about the new engine for the Brera GTA? 4.2litre V8 440hp and 550Nm, sounds quite appealing to me. The engine is being built together with Maserati. Eveythig is better than Opel (GM) isn't it?

Mats · Post by **Mats** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:40 am

Come on, we are not talking about the old and seriously crappy Opel V6 that can't even be used as a boat anchor, the HFV6 look good on paper and from what I have heard it is very nice to drive.
I have had some hands on work on the HFV6 itself and it is very nicely packed and looks the part, unlike the old Alfa V6 which is very bulky with the cambelts and other stuff. Plenty of good gearboxes too, the F40 box (yes, thats the code for it, 6 speed manual) in the Saabs seem pretty much indestructable, not like the old 164 box that scrapped diffs like nothing else.