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Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:53 pm

My 164 3.0 24v engine has -
Engine number AR66301......
Motronic number 0 261 200 663

I think the 164 3.0 12v engine in my Dad's car has -
Engine number AR06412.....
Motronic number 0 261 200 117

Hope this helps.

Sporttunergtv6 · Post by **Sporttunergtv6** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:35 pm

tectoteam,
when you refer to the first and second series motor you are basically refering (in alfa speak) to the 164 24v 3l and the 164 QV 24v 3l, right? is the lancia motor, the former or the latter... or did they get them both too.
vittorio

tectoteam · Post by **tectoteam** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:39 pm

Sporttunergtv6 wrote:tectoteam,
when you refer to the first and second series motor you are basically refering (in alfa speak) to the 164 24v 3l and the 164 QV 24v 3l, right? is the lancia motor, the former or the latter... or did they get them both too.
vittorio

NO. that difference are nothing to look with the fact of QV or not...its pure mecanic difference. the shape of head and block on rigth side.

but that dont matter that you get the first or 'second'...its only one detail that make no difference from outside viewing.

in the lancia kappa, they fit the both during years...

If i remenber, when you are running bigger intake runners (in QV 225-228hp), the peak power is a bit higger.
and if i remenber ² the Q4 version (4wd) use a hot wire Flowmeter instead of a flap one that will do bad things for performance, close to 230-232 hp.

need photo to show you the thing about heads...but hadnt.
if you plan to a 24v swap...take anyone...it will "fit" (with some minor fixes discussed above)

alos...like i said, you cannot exchange the main block or the rigth head of a first to a second version and vice-versa...but did you already decide to destroy it ?

(hp figure i write comes from commercial papers...those kind of things that is never easy to know the reality)

Sporttunergtv6 · Post by **Sporttunergtv6** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:15 am

what do intake and exhaust valves go for nowadays, probably some valve guides too? where can i get parts, like these, for the 3.0l 24v motor?

since my seller in germany ha s left me hanging on the lancia motor, i was thinking about buying a motor on which the cam idler or something went. the pistons are supposedly fine and only one side was damaged. what do you think this piece is gonna cost to get fixed?

vittorio