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Lucio · Post by **Lucio** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:36 am

Here they are...

x-rad · Post by **x-rad** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:56 pm

Lucio: are there many parts for the 3.0L 12v's in Italy...or are they hard to find.......

Lucio · Post by **Lucio** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:43 pm

x-rad wrote:Lucio: are there many parts for the 3.0L 12v's in Italy...or are they hard to find.......

2.5's (like mine) and 3.0's are extremely rare here in Italy.
For this reason I'm buying parts from the USA, funny as it may seem.

No idea about the problem. For sure the valves seals were bad and so the valve guides. For me the problem must be electrical....but we're also working in that direction (rebulding alternator, for example, installing new ignition wires and checking every other wire...).

Lucio

Mats · Post by **Mats** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:15 pm

Lucio wrote:
2.5's (like mine) and 3.0's are extremely rare here in Italy.
Lucio

This is very true, me and a friend drove his 164 3.0 24v super down to Italy one summer. Semi-loud exhaust, lowered and 17" wheels. Wherever we went people stared like we were from outer space and when we drove through the small villages (in low gear), people (mostly men actually) ran out of their houses to have a look and raised their glasses at the cafés.

We went to a mechanic to get the cambelt changed and when we opened the hood the mechanic instantly ran off into the shop, we didn't know what was happening but after a short while everybody came running out to see the engine bay. They had only seen a few of them before and not one of them were even slightly modified. Turned out the only one qualified to do the cambelt was the big boss himself.

Giuliettaevo2 · Post by **Giuliettaevo2** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:04 am

That has something to do with taxes. In italy you pay(ed?) a great sum of taxes if your car is over 2.0 litres of engine capacity. this is the reason there aren't that much 2.5/3.0v6 driven cars in Italy. To escape this ridiculous taxrule most manufacturers made 2.0Turbo engines, hence the 164 2.0V6 Tb.

BMW made an entirely different E30 M3 for Italy and called it a 320IS, used a normal 325I body with the M3 technical components and an m3 engine reduced to 2.0 but still with 195 HP. seriously nice sleeper car!

rz · Post by rz » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:20 am

in belgium there are soooo many 3,0 12v alfa's.
you can buy them for scrap money

Lucio · Post by **Lucio** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:35 am

Giuliettaevo2 wrote:That has something to do with taxes. In italy you pay(ed?) a great sum of taxes if your car is over 2.0 litres of engine capacity. this is the reason there aren't that much 2.5/3.0v6 driven cars in Italy. To escape this ridiculous taxrule most manufacturers made 2.0Turbo engines, hence the 164 2.0V6 Tb.

You are correct. It was VAT that was close to 40% on >2.0 L cars.
Now it is different but car insurance prizes still go ballistic if you have a 2.5/3.0 car. Yes, it is ridiculous.

Lucio

x-rad · Post by **x-rad** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:19 pm

that's crazyness.....

but i don't know of any production 2.0 Farrari's ???(except in the 1950's)

RZ: save those 2.5 and 3.0 parts and sell them to IAP

DaveH · Post by **DaveH** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:22 pm

Wasn't there a 208 Ferrari? As in: a 308 with 2 litre engine?

If my memory serves me correctly, it was Italian market only.

DaveH · Post by **DaveH** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:27 pm

Confirmed by the interweb sage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_208

Tiny pistons! But wait....wasn't there a 2 litre V12 Ferrari?

Hopelessly OT now. No hope of going back.

Lucio · Post by **Lucio** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:11 pm

x-rad wrote:that's crazyness.....

but i don't know of any production 2.0 Farrari's ???(except in the 1950's)

RZ: save those 2.5 and 3.0 parts and sell them to IAP

Ferrari 208 GTB and 208 Turbo (same performance as the 308 GTB).
Very popular in Italy even nowadays as they can be bought easily (40,000 euro or so).

Lucio

SimonB · Post by **SimonB** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:31 am

The same is true to this day in Portugal, you see many versions of cars here that are not sold in Northern Europe like 1.4 golfs and focuses. The BMW 320iS came here too. I think I heard there were about 20 GTV6s in Portugal! You still see lots of upscale cars in the posh areas but their owners pay a massive premium. Cars like the Mercedes C180K and the Polo G40 are comparitively common here.

Post by **Zamani** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:37 pm

320is? You mean the E30 320is with the 2.0L S14 engine?

Mats · Post by **Mats** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:51 am

Yeah, the new one is 320si.

Lucio · Post by **Lucio** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:25 am

My GTV6 is on the road again. The engine seems to run smoothly and regularly so apparently the almost complete rebuild has worked.

After 1000 kms of "break in" I will be able to tell something more re: performance above 3000 rpm. A rebuilt alternator has been installed too (85A, Bosch, from a Milano, I assume).

Keep your fingers crossed.

Lucio
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