Starter
With regard to that GTV6 starter you showed us, I have been testing out a gear reduction starter that weighs about 8 lbs, and is rated for more power than the OEM Bosch version. I have been using it for a couple of months now on the race car, and it readily cranks the motor-even with a marginal battery on occasion.
Al Mitchell
Reale Motorsports
#82 E Production
Alfa Romeo GTV6
Reale Motorsports
#82 E Production
Alfa Romeo GTV6
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Giulietta24vTT
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Very nice , good point you added the inner timing belt cover in advance , I've put a power steering pumpon the altr' belt line on the left side and it is impossible to fit the cover.
Dear Barry:)!,
The TT is such fun I just can't describe ! It runs smoothly after some serious tuning and fixing some wiring problems at the Haltech. I drive it daily to work and the cooling system and IC is perfect.
Brakes (front GTA Barry style 305's) are bit weak for race situ -I guess since the car is fully equiped with power-everything , leather etc it a bit heavier .
I'm giving this engine good easy life trying not to push is to the limits and run low boost /rpm , it is very driveable and powerfull as you know even at slight throttle opening.
The Cllotti gears seem to handle the torque of the monster , clutch doesn't,However shifting is a bugger and makes very unhealthy vibrations sometimes.
All in all I'm quite pleased , BTW mate I'm still very curious about a single turbo path , with my sump no matter how I look at it it a 6:2:1 manifold seems impossible to build,any thoughts of building me one for a nice bucket of gold?
msg me if you have the tine,
Cheers all
Dear Barry:)!,
The TT is such fun I just can't describe ! It runs smoothly after some serious tuning and fixing some wiring problems at the Haltech. I drive it daily to work and the cooling system and IC is perfect.
Brakes (front GTA Barry style 305's) are bit weak for race situ -I guess since the car is fully equiped with power-everything , leather etc it a bit heavier .
I'm giving this engine good easy life trying not to push is to the limits and run low boost /rpm , it is very driveable and powerfull as you know even at slight throttle opening.
The Cllotti gears seem to handle the torque of the monster , clutch doesn't,However shifting is a bugger and makes very unhealthy vibrations sometimes.
All in all I'm quite pleased , BTW mate I'm still very curious about a single turbo path , with my sump no matter how I look at it it a 6:2:1 manifold seems impossible to build,any thoughts of building me one for a nice bucket of gold?
msg me if you have the tine,
Cheers all
Chen S
ex Giulietta 24V Glenwood TT.
ex Giulietta 24V Glenwood TT.
FC,I see from the picture that the volume of the sump might improve somewhat as you said.Yes,let us know about the final volume if you would.Good one on the alternator mount.I normally leave it on the other side on the original bracket and use a longer 6pk belt to drive it.I like your idea of using the tensioner on the alt. where you put it.This is what is so great about this forum,you get different ideas daily from the guys.....
Chen,good to hear the tt is running so well.That is one strong engine,As I said before,with awsome wheelspin in 1st,2nd and 3rd gear we did a 12 sec 1/4 mile at 6000ft with that engine.......Do yourself a favour and get an A.P or equivielnt twin or tripple plate clutch for your car.Theyre expensive but is ultimately the best solution for something as yours.....Daily driver ,huh?? Impressive.......
FC,Why did you not fit the gta starter to the engine??Whay better than the old clunky gtv6 starter.I have it fitted to my Giulietta and would not go back to the old starter .
Barry
Chen,good to hear the tt is running so well.That is one strong engine,As I said before,with awsome wheelspin in 1st,2nd and 3rd gear we did a 12 sec 1/4 mile at 6000ft with that engine.......Do yourself a favour and get an A.P or equivielnt twin or tripple plate clutch for your car.Theyre expensive but is ultimately the best solution for something as yours.....Daily driver ,huh?? Impressive.......
FC,Why did you not fit the gta starter to the engine??Whay better than the old clunky gtv6 starter.I have it fitted to my Giulietta and would not go back to the old starter .
Barry
French cars are shit and shit expensive to service and bloody awful and unreliable and expensive and friends don't let friends drive french cars and you wait years for parts.
Hello my fellow Alfisti!
It's a long time I haven't follow the cars transformation on these pages.
There was a slowdown in the process, because we ran into some serious problems with the ECU. We can't get it alive and noone was able to start it up or at least disable the code in it.
So I had to find a different way.
Finally I found a company who is dealing with ECU-tuning and also build and program race-cars and they can supply a quite affordable solution for my problem. You know here in Hungary it's not an easy task like in the States. But now they create the solution using a TDD ECU which was cost-effective solution compared with the Motec and Haltech system, but it still costs me close to 2k USD with the cabeling and programming. The others would cost at least the double of it or more. The TDD has also a solution at that category, but I thought it's enough for me, because I won't want to reprogramm every week, and I don't have a turbo which worth the extra money for the additional potential of the ECU. But this unit also can handle turbo if someone would like to have one or two.
But this means, we have to change the concept in many points.
The new ECU requires only 4 input information:
- the engine speed
- the thorttle-body valve angle
- the engine temp
- the air temp
The pros of the system:
- no need air-flow meter
- no need of catalytic converter
- no need of 4 Lambdas
- there's no limitation by the factory settings, you can freely set every parameter following the engine's behaviour
The cons:
- the original electric throttle body with the actuator had to be replaced (the new one came from a 24v 3.0 164, because it has the right potentiometer on it, which not just a switch at the ends, but supply a variable impedance according to the position of the valve)
- the original separate coils for each cylinder had to be replaced with some standard spark-plug driven by 3 double-coils coming from the later boxers Marelli system
Barry!
Some information for Your questions:
- the oil-system swallows 8 liters of oil including the oil-cooler. It's almost 2 liters more than in the original 147 GTA
- the oil-pressure is 5 bar at idle when cold and 3-3.5 when it's hot
- since the post 164 engine has different starter than the earlier ones, it cannot been mounted on the old bellhousing, or You have to change the front of the starter. I decided, I keep the GTA's original and can sell it to someone having any V6 '98 onwards.
It's a long time I haven't follow the cars transformation on these pages.
There was a slowdown in the process, because we ran into some serious problems with the ECU. We can't get it alive and noone was able to start it up or at least disable the code in it.
So I had to find a different way.
Finally I found a company who is dealing with ECU-tuning and also build and program race-cars and they can supply a quite affordable solution for my problem. You know here in Hungary it's not an easy task like in the States. But now they create the solution using a TDD ECU which was cost-effective solution compared with the Motec and Haltech system, but it still costs me close to 2k USD with the cabeling and programming. The others would cost at least the double of it or more. The TDD has also a solution at that category, but I thought it's enough for me, because I won't want to reprogramm every week, and I don't have a turbo which worth the extra money for the additional potential of the ECU. But this unit also can handle turbo if someone would like to have one or two.
But this means, we have to change the concept in many points.
The new ECU requires only 4 input information:
- the engine speed
- the thorttle-body valve angle
- the engine temp
- the air temp
The pros of the system:
- no need air-flow meter
- no need of catalytic converter
- no need of 4 Lambdas
- there's no limitation by the factory settings, you can freely set every parameter following the engine's behaviour
The cons:
- the original electric throttle body with the actuator had to be replaced (the new one came from a 24v 3.0 164, because it has the right potentiometer on it, which not just a switch at the ends, but supply a variable impedance according to the position of the valve)
- the original separate coils for each cylinder had to be replaced with some standard spark-plug driven by 3 double-coils coming from the later boxers Marelli system
Barry!
Some information for Your questions:
- the oil-system swallows 8 liters of oil including the oil-cooler. It's almost 2 liters more than in the original 147 GTA
- the oil-pressure is 5 bar at idle when cold and 3-3.5 when it's hot
- since the post 164 engine has different starter than the earlier ones, it cannot been mounted on the old bellhousing, or You have to change the front of the starter. I decided, I keep the GTA's original and can sell it to someone having any V6 '98 onwards.
Greetings FC,
Thanks for the info.Pity you did not post your problems with the std. ecu.I can remove the key encoder security issue for you..(i DENY HAVING SAID THAT......)The std. ecu is the best way to go afaic.
As for the starter,check it out .
Barry
Thanks for the info.Pity you did not post your problems with the std. ecu.I can remove the key encoder security issue for you..(i DENY HAVING SAID THAT......)The std. ecu is the best way to go afaic.
As for the starter,check it out .
Barry
French cars are shit and shit expensive to service and bloody awful and unreliable and expensive and friends don't let friends drive french cars and you wait years for parts.
Sorry,here it is..(I hope..)Hi Barry!
It's a pity.
I tried to find a solution here in Hungary several way (contact with Bosch, asking a specialist who worked with older motronics with key-code, asking the ECU-tuners, etc.), but noone can help.
But good to know that there's a contact who can help next time. Maybe if the TDD ECU will not provide the power I expect, then I will send You the original one for the required modifications.
At the starter, are the holes at right place? When I mesured I found they are closer on the old one than on the new. But maybe I missed the process somehow.
It's a pity.
I tried to find a solution here in Hungary several way (contact with Bosch, asking a specialist who worked with older motronics with key-code, asking the ECU-tuners, etc.), but noone can help.
But good to know that there's a contact who can help next time. Maybe if the TDD ECU will not provide the power I expect, then I will send You the original one for the required modifications.
At the starter, are the holes at right place? When I mesured I found they are closer on the old one than on the new. But maybe I missed the process somehow.
Here are some new pics.
The cabling is a temporary installation. When everything will be at place I will clean it out and keep only those wires that really needs.
The cabling is a temporary installation. When everything will be at place I will clean it out and keep only those wires that really needs.
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FC,The picture does not show the final result.No ,the holes are not the same-I use the bottom hole to mount the starter and then swing it closer while turning the motor(you can see the jumper cable attached).When all sounds good,I then drill the top hole and attach the starter.I then make the plate and bolt that to the bellhousing.Once that is attached,I screw a pre drilled and tapped round bar to the middle hole.I then weld the roundbar to the strap attached to the bellhousing.Simple and much better that the old clunky gtv starter.Will find my Giuliettas starter conversion.This one is on Kevins gta engine.
Barry
Barry
French cars are shit and shit expensive to service and bloody awful and unreliable and expensive and friends don't let friends drive french cars and you wait years for parts.
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